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A Trp, 3/17th Air Cav by Spur, John Garrison, Lift Platoon
You can view all of John's Vietnam uploads at: http://www.youtube.com/user/oldrugrat Tom White Videos, Silver Spur 13, '70-'71
God's Own Lunatics In July of 2000, the VHPA met at The Wall in D.C. during its annual reunion and placed a wreath. I heard Joe Galloway give this short outdoor speech after some Hueys and other Army copters did a flyover.
Proud to be one of these lunatics,
Chuck Oualline Super 8 movie taken by Henry Morgan Miller, A Troop, 3/17th Air Cav, Cobra Platoon "American Soldier" by Roger "Bear" Young Silver Spur A Troop 3/17 Air Cav 2012 Reunion Memorial Service
Produced by fellow Spur, John "Waldo" Pepper for our 2012 Silver Spur reunion to honor all our fallen Silver Spurs & 3/17th Cav Troopers from the Vietnam war from 1967-1972 who served our country and made the ultimate sacrifice. These brave Troopers are not forgotten by their Brothers-In-Arms!
The video also pays tribute to those 3-17th Cav Troopers killed in Iraq during their 2004 deployment.
Roger "Bear" Young Joe Galloway at A Troop, 3/17th Air Cavalry Reunion in April 2008
We were honored to have Joe Galloway be our guest speaker at our Silver Spur reunion in April 2008 in San Antonio, TX. Our own Spur 3, Chuck Oualline, gives the introduction. Video by Pam Young.
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Books Published by Fellow 3/17th Troopers
Zigzag Men "I picked up a copy of Larry Sherrer's "Zigzag Men" - it is a must read for all 3/17th guys (really anybody that served in the Army at that time). Funny - sad - brilliantly written, one of those books you can't put down" - Randy Little ==================
Flying Alligators and Silver Spurs The dangers, tragedies, and comradeship of the Vietnam War, ==================
BLUE TIGER Blue Tiger is a book that is the result of the healing process of one Viet Nam Combat Infantryman. The book is taken from the daily diary of the author. Blue Tiger tells his story and it helps put the past to rest where it belongs in the past. The Viet Nam war tore the nation apart, and the military men were caught in the middle. They were blamed for things that they had no control over. They fought to stay alive in a no win situation. For many the war will never be over. Blue Tiger just might help those searching for an end to their war, and explain to others the truth about the combat soldiers in Viet Nam and why some are still bitter.
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Other Great Books We Were Soldiers Once...And Young We Are Soldiers Still: A Journey Back to the Battlefields of Vietnam A Tender Warrior, Leadership Letters to America
No Stone Left Unturned...
6 Apr 2011 - FLASH TRAFFIC: I haven't seen any official release by DPMO but this is what is reported by the NLF dtd 30 Mar 2011
"...the remains of SP4 Randall D. Dalton, USA, listed as KIA/BNR on July 24, 1971 in Cambodia, were recovered September 11, 1989, and identified January 18, 2011..." This is great news, but unfortunately no word on the remains of Sgt. Gregory Antunano who perished during the same tragic incident.
20 Jul 2011: Vet laid to rest after 1971 Cambodia helo crash - ArmyTimes - 20 Jul 2011 JTF-FA CASE REOPENED on Spur background information: ===============
UPDATE: 26 July 2006 7/26/2006
Mr. Young, [Spur Trooper & Webmaster]
Antunano and Dalton were lost in Cambodia on 24 July 1971 and a grave site at XU6928036344 and possibly some of the crash site at XU6925636319 are scheduled to be excavated this October [2006] in Cambodia.
Keep your fingers crossed.
UPDATE: 24 July 2006
From Gary Antunano:
Sunday July 23, 2006, Daily Republic
Brother of MIA still waiting for closure FAIRFIELD -- Recent evidence about the fate of a Fairfield man's brother who was shot down over Cambodia 35 years ago has him hopeful that his brother's remains may finally come home.
Lack of funding to send a Joint Task Force-Full Accounting excavation team over there has Gary Antunano frustrated that this final closure may still be more than a year off.
"I am in the waiting period now for the excavation," said Antunano. "It could be a couple of years. It could be next year."
Funding cutbacks to the JTF-FA command due to other military needs has put the excavation of the possible site of Army Sgt. Gregory Antunano remains in a holding pattern.
Recently collected eyewitness accounts of the crash site and a possible grave site have pushed the excavation high on the Task Force's list of recovery projects.
Monday marks 35 years since Greg Antunano crashed in Cambodia "and I just don't want him forgotten," said Gary Antunano who was only 8 years old at the time.
But with only enough funds to carry out one excavation a year, the excavation of Greg Antunano's crash site remains undone.
"This year, my brother's case is the backup case for this year's excavations," Gary Antunano said. "Funding for the Task Force is not good due to the war."
Greg and Gary Antunano grew up in South San Francisco, with Greg born 14 years before Gary. Gary worshiped his brother, enjoying wrestling with him and getting rides in Greg's car.
Greg Antunano joined the Army in 1968, became an Airborne Ranger and was sent to South Vietnam where he was wounded twice in the first six months he was there.
His love of flying got him a job flying [in] the OH-6 Loach helicopter, the small, egg-shaped helicopters which the 1st Cavalry Division used to search for the Vietcong and North Vietnamese Army.
In mid-July 1971, Greg Antunano became part of the [ARVN] invasion of Cambodia to destroy the NVA supply bases and sanctuaries hidden there.
One month before he was due to come home, Greg Antunano flew into Cambodia on July 24 as an observer on a Loach to look for the NVA near Snoul, Cambodia. The Loach was shot down.
A medivac helicopter found the pilot alive with a broken leg, but Greg Antunano was found dead inside the helicopter. Another crewman died at the site before he could be evacuated.
The two bodies were left at the site because of fears the NVA were nearby, but when the Americans came back the next day, they found the helicopter stripped and the bodies gone.
The family has lobbied since to find Gary Antunano's body and bring it home.
Gary Antunano's father died in 1986, without ever knowing his son's fate. His mother, Virginia Antunano lobbied hard to get her son's remains found and returned.
She died in 2001 and now Gary Antunano is carrying on the fight to bring closure for his family.
"I would like to get anything home to bury with my parents," Gary Antunano said. "If not, I want to go to Cambodia to see my brother's final resting place." [End]
Webmaster's note: JTF-FA is currently known as JPAC.
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The Recovery of 1Lt. Thomas W. Knuckey
3/17th Historical Finds! WAR - by SFC David H. Plenge - Courtesy of fellow Spur, Bill McCalister
One Perspective...The Early Days (1966-1967) - Courtesy of fellow Spur, Glynn Decoteau
1968 Hawk Magazine Articles - Courtesy of fellow Spur, Bill McCalister
Spur OH-58 #68-16935 still flying! 3/17th Air Cav Historical Supplement Posted 13 Nov 02 1970 Spur Excerpts from the "Redhorse Review" Message from Arthur C Bonevich:
Hello!
I'd like to invite you to join the '3rd Squadron, 17th Cavalry (1960s-Present)' homepage on Military.com. The page is a great way to post updates, share photos, plan events, and more.
Just click on the link below, Then click the 'Join This Group' button.
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If this does not work because your email software does not support this hypertext link, please copy the URL above, paste it into your browser address area and press enter.
Military.com is the online home for anyone who has answered the call to serve, and the family and friends who support them. Come see for yourself.
Join the page and keep up-to-date on group news.
Sincerely,
NEW - Vietnam Glossary & Some History by Dwight Davis ~~~~~~~~~~~~
Speech by MG (Ret) Robert H Scales ~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE VIETNAM VETERAN
For this I was derided and held in contempt, unappreciated and shunned by a society unwilling to understand. I watched as my government leaders turned their backs on people whose trust we had earned, only to see them abandoned to the enemy as our country rushed to wash its hands of everything associated with the war, including its own armed forces.
For staying the course, doing the honorable thing, I was ostracized and ridiculed, and I watched, astounded, as my President pardoned those who fled the country rather than answer the call to duty. Years later, I read about a secretary of defense who had not the courage of his convictions; who refused to speak what his gut was telling him, and who now seeks forgiveness for his role in sending 58,000 Americans to their deaths in a war the country would not allow to be won. Someday I may be able to forgive, but I will never forget. I feel anger when I see civilians placing their hands on "The Wall." Then I realize that they are family members, and I move on in my thoughts.
My lot is not to share in the "glory" that was my father's when he returned from WWI, nor my uncles and cousins who braved combat in WWII and were appreciated and loved by their countrymen, nor even relatives who survived the cold and hell of Korea. No, the Vietnam Veteran stands alone; a mark of shame in the record book, unjustly accused of losing a war directed by political hacks and whizz kids. (Adapted from "A Soldier"...Author - Anonymous) ~~~~~~~~~~~~
A Prayer for The Soldier
By Teresa Honaker I know my timing isn't the best
The world engages in countless wars
Your powers are being put to the test
Someone needs you more today
Please shelter them in your hands
For their loved ones are miles away
Separated by sea and land
Alone, they face the world of ours
Protecting her with their lives
Using every available power
Traveling over rugged, dangerous miles
Please keep them safe and sound
Keep your heavenly eyes over their shoulders
There is no better-needed prayer around
Than this one for the American Soldiers
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Spurs Looking For...
17 Jan 10:
Allow me to introduce myself. I was assigned to the 199th Infantry Brigade in Long Binh 40th Public Information Office as a photographer. The Silver Spurs were stationed with our Fire Ball Aviation Detachment at the time,June 1968, and the Spurs gave aviation support to the I99th infantry units.
I had the duty,honor, privilege of flying with the Spurs on a free- fire zone mission with the Cobra flown by CWO Thomas Marlock. I am not sure how it was arranged, but I was a photographer for our newspaper for the 199th and I got to take a flight to show our troops who was helping them out. I considered that to be the highlight of my time in Vietnam as few people got to fly a Cobra, and even fewer got to fly as a non aviation person.
Enclosed is a 4x6 photo of Mr Marlock on that free-fire zone flight. He allowed me to get some flying time, and as someone who wanted to be a Army pilot, that was a thrill to be able to fly a Cobra. The miniguns were a great way to get teeth vibrated out and lose hearing fast. I do not see an email address for him,but feel free to use it as you feel fit and send a copy of it to him if you do get an address. Other negatives and photos are probably stored in a dusty file at the Pentagon, and this is the only photo I have of him. I wish I had more photos, but when you are on the pay roll as a MOS photographer, the Army expects to get the photographs.. The other photo is the caption of Mr Marlock on the back. I have no idea who the Cobra in flight belongs too. It was taken at a separate time near Long Binh.
I am in the process of building a 1/32 model of the Cobra and would like some information if it is available.
Were there any markings besides the crossed Sabers on the nose? I think he had War Hawks painted on his helmet. Eventually, I would like to get a helmet and paint it in similiar manner.
Only in the last few months did I find the web site, and always wondered what happened to the people I was associated with in VN. As someone on the ground needing some fire support, I know that the grunts really were glad to have a gunship around they needed the help.
Thanks for having the web site. I am looking forward to seeing more photos of the helicopters on the web site. Some of my photos are at http://www.1stavnbde.com/tours/Joe_Whinnery/index.htm. The photo of the miniguns firing was from that same mission.
Joe Whinnery, Sp4 199th Infantry, 40th Public Information Office, then SP5, 12th Public Information Office, photographer, Hawk Magazine 1st Aviation Brigade
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Incident in May 68:
22 Sep 05: Greetings from Australia Bill Barber and hoping that you can assist with
info.
Colin Adamson from Canberra here and back in 1968 I was a rifle company
commander ( Major ) with the Australian First Battalion based at Nui Dat
North of Vung Tau.
In May 1968 our battalion was ordered to a new Fire Base North of Tan Yuen
and as usual our arrival was preceded by a real cock up with bugger all
defence stores and the intelligence was that Charlie was around but fleeing
north out of Saigon...cold wet tired and hungry..I guess that you have
heard all this before!!!!
In the event around 0230 on 16 May, a regular charlie battalion attacked my
company location and spilled over to my flanks as well.
All was not happy I can assure you even with the 155s from Tan Yuen in our
support
Around 0400 a forward air controller turned up and brought an HFT from the
Silver Spurs with him. I need to say right now that I was not aware at the
time where the HFT came from and I have been researching for 35 years until
I recently found mention of the Silver spurs.
What a game fighting mob those guys were that night.
Charlie had set up 3 or 4 50 cals and his green tracer was flying north at
the HFT and at the same time the hels were flying straight down the tracer
track and delivering red tracer at the same time. Spooky was up there as
well so it was real party.
I recall that the HFT had to disengage after some time as one of the
gunships had to disengage as it had take bad fire so the FAC brought in 3
Thunderchiefs ?? which laid napalm on my wire !!
So to come to the point.
Could you spread this among you comrades and see if you can locate those
guys who helped me out so much on that terrible night. I need to thank them
and take it from there
I am no longer serving....put in 36 years and these days I am in the
business of caring for the grandkids.
Our regimental motto is DUTY FIRST...check out my web
site...www.firstbattalion.au.com....still building it
Duty First
PS The Spurs web site is excellent..Col
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LTC George Crofoot, former A Troop XO ('67) passed away in 2002. His daughter would like to hear from any Spur who remembers George. Her recent e-mail is attached:
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DFC Citation for WO THOMAS M. BARNETT: On 26 Sep 70, Tom was lost from injuries suffered when the Cobra he was the front seater in was shot down by enemy fire. Recently, his nephew has contacted us and is asking for our help locating a copy of the DFC Tom received while serving with the Spurs.
Please contact fellow Spur's Tom White, and Roger Young.
Veterans Spotlight Profile of a Vet * They are perhaps more likely to measure others by their reliability (i.e., is this someone with whom I could share a foxhole?)
* They are less hung up on appearances, less easily fooled, and have had enough bullshit thrown at them that they may see through it a little better than others. "Many of us have violent tempers, see adrenaline-rush activities, are workaholics, alcoholics, and are maintaining but still sitting on explosive energy."
"We know how to take orders and give orders. We have shared our canteens with all classes of people. We've seen death close up. We've experienced big-time loss. We've faced our own fears and found our own courage. As a result, we are different in a way that the Indians understood and prized, but which our society does not understand and often fears."
"We have had the experience of being judge, jury, and executioner. Many of us were free to take life without having to account for our reasons. We were all affected by having that incredible power of living through an experience in which there was no law - we were the law."
========================== "They Were Heroes Too" ========================== The Vietnam Wall Experience 2001 Meeting at the Wall ========================== Willing And Able ========================== A Promise Kept: Lt. James R. McQuade, ========================== Lest We Forget From the dedication brochure:
"Why a U.S. Army Helicopter UH-1C 'the Huey' was "The emotional attachment to the Huey Helicopter by the Vietnam Veterans may only be understood by those who served. But the choice of this durable war-bird as the centerpiece for the memorial is a choice made by the courageous veterans who were there.
"The U.S. Army Helicopter UH-1C, chosen to be the centerpiece of the memorial, and like our honored heroes, served in combat in Vietnam. It has a proud history, with 37 months of active service, and over 2700 hours of flight time. While under enemy fire, it sustained critical damage on several occasions with no recorded military fatalities. It served with Troop A 3rd Squadron 17th Cavalry, the 240th Assault Helicopter Company, the 56th Transportation Company, and the 166th Transportation Company. After the war, it was returned to duty with the National Guard where it remained until 1976. In October of 1996, it became a part of the Darkhorse Group, a Military Aviation Museum at the Long Beach Airport, where it was refurbished in readiness for its final resting place.
"As the centerpiece of the Long Beach Vietnam Veterans Memorial, the Huey and all that it represents will provide the opportunity for future generations to reflect on the men and women who served their country, especially the one hundred and three Long Beach citizens who have made the supreme sacrifice." [End of this page] LONG BEACH VIETNAM VETERANS MEMORIAL
THIS MEMORIAL HONORS THE MEN OF LONG BEACH WHO PAID THE 1965:
1966:
1967:
1968:
1969:
1970:
1971:
THEY CHOSE TO SERVE, NOT RUN WELCOME HOME Dedicated by the Vietnam Veterans of America, Long Beach Chapter #756 Update: May 2001
Chapter 756 reports: "...tail number 66-15028 will be placed at its final resting place on top of the pole in Long Beach Ca tomorrow 5-15-2001 at 0800. The memorial is located at the corner of Atlantic Ave and Harding St. in North Long Beach CA. After 5 years of hard and back breaking work it is finally done. Now phase 2 will commence. Thanks to Troop A 3/17 and 240 AHC for all their imput. Mike Oravetz Chapter 756 -- Long Beach CA" The Spurs offer a sincere "thank you" to Chapter 756 for all their hard work, the hoops they have had to jump through, and also to the Darkhorse Group, a Military Aviation Museum at the Long Beach Airport, who donated our ol' UH-1C to be a part of their beautiful memorial dedicated to those who made the ultimate sacrifice in Vietnam from Long Beach, CA.
Roger Young - Spurs' webmaster Update: Dec 2001
Vietnam Veterans of America, Inc. Chapter 756 Col Glynn Decoteau, Ret. Dec. 1, 2001
Dear Col. Decoteau and Fellow Veterans of Troop A 3/17th Air Cav
(Silver Spurs)
It is an honor to receive the beautiful plaque that your organization
has so graciously given to those of us at Chapter 756 Vietnam Veterans
of America. I'm sure that you will be able to view this plaque on our
web-site in the near future, along with pictures of the completed Memorial.
It is a tribute to one of our members Mike Oravetz, that he was able to
locate actual crewmembers of the Huey that is standing in a peaceful
setting in one of Long Beach's parks for the rest of time.
When the Huey was mounted, a local press photographer took its
picture during the early evening hours. He apply published it in the
local paper with the perfect name, "The Last Mission." What more could
be said?
Again we thank you for the plaque which will always remain special to
us as you are the only group that has publicly acknowledged our chapter's
involvement in this undertaking and we look forward to the day when you
may visit and see the memorial in its totality.
Sincerely,
[Signed]
Dave Deluca Ph.D "Now let the healing begin"
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I thank Glynn (gsdeco67@centurylink.net) for all his efforts in
providing the plaque on behalf of our entire troop to Chapter 756
and the Darkhorse Group Military Aviation Museum.
Glynn was our troop's original Rifle platoon leader, and I thank
Glynn personally for his friendship and continued leadership.
April 2004: A look back... April 1945: U.S. Arms and Trains the Viet Minh In April of 1945, the U.S. was training and supplying arms to Ho Chi Minh's Viet Minh forces led by Gen. Giap to fight the Japanese occupational forces in Vietnam. This became the nucleus that would later defeat the French, and even later defeat ARVN and U.S. forces in Southeast Asia. Thirty years later, to the month, South Vietnam would fall to the communists... April 9, 1995: McNamara says Vietnam War was a mistake --------------------------------------------------------- "Planning for Failure" - Oct '64 to Nov '64 pg. 184
McNaughton, Forrestal, and William Bundy concluded that it would be preferable to fail in Vietnam after trying some level of military action than to withdraw without first committing the United States military to direct action against North Vietnam. They thought that the principal objective of military activities was to protect U.S. credibility. Because they believed that graduated military pressure could be stopped at any time and would not commit them to any further military measures, they saw less risk in using force than in not doing so. Failure to uphold the administration's commitment to preserve the independence of South Vietnam would be acceptable as long as the world recognized that the United States had done all that it could under the circumstances. McNaughton believed that the United States would be in "no worse position" in Southeast Asia if graduated pressure failed to secure American policy objectives there than it was already. Indeed, the loss of South Vietnam after the direct intervention of U.S. armed forces "would leave behind a better odor" than an immediate withdrawal and would demonstrate that the United States was a "good doctor willing to keep promises, be tough, take risks, get bloodied, and hurt the enemy badly."
This shift in thinking about the U.S. objective in Vietnam became apparent during the working group's deliberations. On October 13 McNaughton had placed helping South Vietnam and Laos "develop as independent countries" at the top of his list of goals in Southeast Asia. Three weeks later McNaughton listed the following "aims" of U.S. military action in Vietnam for the use of the Bundy committee:
B. To avoid domino effect especially in Southeast Asia.
C. To keep South Vietnamese territory from Red hands.
D. To emerge from crisis without considerable taint from methods. For McNaughton and others the goal of American military intervention in South Vietnam had less to do with that country than with containing Communism and maintaining America's "intemational prestige."
pg. 185
McNaughton wrote that "it might become desirable to settle for less than complete assurances on our key objectives," namely the U.S. pledge to guarantee South Vietnam's freedom and independence.
The final report Bundy and McNaughton completed on November 26 ostensibly reaffirmed the American commitment to a free and independent South Vietnam and Laos, but it contained "fall-back objectives" consistent with McNaughton's "good doctor" metaphor:
2. To take forceful enough measures in the situation so that we emerge from it, even in the worst case, with our standing as the principal helper against Communist expansion as little impaired as possible.
3. To make clear to the world, and to nations in Asia particularly, that failure in South Vietnam, if it comes, was due to special local factors--such as bad colonial heritage and a lack of will to defend itself--that do not apply to other nations. [End] --------------------------------------------------------- The Infamous "Body Count" - LBJ 15 Mar '65 pages 248-249
Two days later General Johnson and his team returned from Vietnam. On March 15 [1965] the president [LBJ] called the JCS to the White House for consultation. Although he continued to delay approval for the deployment of additional ground forces, he talked tough and convinced the Joint Chiefs that he was committed to taking any action necessary to preserve South Vietnam. Even as he postponed his decision on ground troops, LBJ made concessions to the Chiefs in other areas and held out the promise of more decisive military action in the future. The president loosened controls on Rolling Thunder, approved most of the actions contained in Harold Johnson's report, and charged the Chiefs with finding ways to improve the military situation in the South. He ended the meeting with a pep talk. He told his military officers that he wanted them to employ any means necessary to "kill more Viet Cong." He expected a weekly report totaling the Viet Cong dead.(1) The meeting did nothing to clarify U.S. objectives in South Vietnam or determine what level of military force would ultimately be required to meet those objectives. The president's tough talk, however, galvanized the Chiefs and convinced Wheeler that his commander in chief was committed to "do everything possible to better our situation" in Vietnam. [End]
--------------------------------------------------------- Kissinger: U.S. 'Accepted' Communist Vietnam AP - May 26, 2006
Kissinger: U.S. 'Accepted' Communist Vietnam
Henry Kissinger quietly acknowledged to China in 1972 that Washington could accept a communist takeover of South Vietnam if that evolved after a withdrawal of U.S. troops - even as the war to drive back the communists dragged on with mounting deaths.
President Nixon's envoy told Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, "If we can live with a communist government in China, we ought to be able to accept it in Indochina."
962 at Cu Chi - 1970
Swartz's "962" was on display outside the main entrance to the museum in 1/4 Cav markings. However, information from VHPA shows the chopper began its Vietnam service with B Troop, 3/17th Cav. [See: VHPA Information on 65-12962].
Jan '09 Update: It has been reported by several Spurs that 962 is no longer on display at the Army Aviation Museum at Ft. Rucker. It has been replaced by a newer OH-58.
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The OH-6A Cayuse (above) was the workhorse of AeroScouts during the Vietnam War. It's power-to-weight ratio and four-blade rotor system made the Cayuse highly maneuverable. By 1970 the U.S. Army had received 1,434 military versions of the Hughes 500. The Cayuse was better known as a "Loach" which stood for Light Observation Helicopter (LOH) and had a max takeoff weight of 2,700 pounds.
An Allison T-63-A-5A turboshaft engine was de-rated to produce 285 shaft horsepower. This basically same engine was used in the later OH-58A Kiowa and produced a minimum of 317 shaft horsepower (T-63-A-700). But the increased weight of the OH-58A (3,000 pounds max. take-off) greatly decreased the reliability of this engine. In fact, in my opinion, as a Scout Crew chief who worked and flew in both models, the OH-6A was far superior for AeroScout work than the OH-58A which only had a two-blade rotor system. Not only was the OH-6A much more maneuverable and reliable - a must when flying at tree-top level - but from a crewman's standpoint, the OH-6A was far superior in regards to crash survivability. Drawbacks with the OH-6A was the thin skin of their rotor blades (flying in heavy rains would destroy the leading edge of the blades which wasn't very practical in Vietnam) and the circuit breaker panel mounted on the pedalstal which was always being damaged by dirt. The OH-6A had mechanical flight controls while the OH-58A featured hydraulic flight controls.
Both the OH-6A and OH-58A's (which started replacing the reliable OH-6A in 1970) could be armed with a 7.62 mm mini-gun mounted on the left side from the passenger compartment. The pilot was seated in the front right and the Observer in the front left seat. In another common configuration the mini-gun was removed and the Crew chief often flew in the rear to provide firepower and a pair of eyes to the right side of the Loach.
Ceramic armor offered some protection from the bottom, rear and sides for the Observer and pilot. "Chicken plates" and a well-positioned .38 or .45 offered some protection from the front.
By 1970 Loaches were most often covered by the dreaded AH-1G Cobra Attack Helicopter (AH) known as "Snakes." Working together they were known as Pink Teams.
Maintenance was not only a task for the crew chiefs, but without the skills provided by the able troops in the 575th Maintenance Detachment (including some civilian personnel) and 812th Signal Detachment the troop would have never been able to function. Kudos to all of those who supported the Spurs and kept us flying! The long hours you worked and your dedication was and is greatly appreciated!
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Spur LOHs live on: Spur OH-58 #68-16935 still flying! History of Stetson Cavalry Hats Cav Stetsons Available!
If you are in the Seattle area and served with the Cav, and want to replace your lost Stetson or braid, the folks at Byrnie Utz Hats at 310 Union Street in downtown Seattle can fix you up! Contact Paul or Bev Ferry (owners) at 206-623-0233. They are open Monday thru Saturday 9:30 am to 5:30 pm. or check out: Miller Hats on the web! My thanks to Jan for the url to Miller Hats!
External Links of Interest Vietnam War Resources
Helicopter Losses During the Vietnam War - PDF file courtesy of VHPA
Cyber Sarge's Vet Links
1st Aviation Brigade Portal - Courtesy of Larry Cox!
WELCOME BACK TO QUAN LOI! - by John Wavra, A Battery 6th Bn 27th Artillery Quan Loi VA - '70 & '71 Spurs will certainly appreciate John's efforts!
How to Request U.S. Military Medals & Awards - Courtesy of Wash. State Dept. of Veterans Affairs The Air Cavalry - Informative link on helicopters used by air cavalry units! Located by fellow Spur, John Dostal
Vietnam Warriors: A Statistical Profile - From VFW Magazine - January 1998
Vet Support Links
Department of Veterans Affairs
VA Health Benefits Service Center toll free at 1-877-222-VETS
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VA's Suicide Hot Line Begins Operations "...The toll-free hot line number is 1-800-273-TALK (8255). VA’s hot line will be staffed by mental health professionals in Canandaigua, N.Y. They will take toll-free calls from across the country and work closely with local VA mental health providers to help callers..."
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Request Copies of Military Personnel Records ================
VA National Hepatitis C Program ================
Agent Orange
PDF file: Agent Orange Dioxin Report Other Agent Orange articles:
2018 Agent Orange Newsletter - VA - Posted 18 Dec 18
Agent Orange linked to serious heart disease - MSNBC - 24 Jul 09
Join our discussion on Agent Orange on our Silver Spur Blog - Opened 7 Jun 11
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Prostrate Cancer
Nov 07: As a former Silver Spur who has struggled through prostate cancer, I want to be sure that every soldier who spent any time in the field in Vietnam from 1961 to 1971 is aware of the following quotes from the VA Handbook:
"If a Vietnam veteran requests a prostate cancer screening exam (DRE, transrectal ultrasound* and/or PSA) after the controversy regarding the value of such testing has been explained, it is recommended that the EH Clinician honor the veteran's request. *NOTE: Usually limited to veterans with abnormal DRE and/or PSA tests."
And...
"There is 'limited and/or suggestive evidence of an association' between exposure to herbicides used in Vietnam and the development of prostate cancer. Because of the provisions of the law and the IOM findings, VA has established a presumption that prostate cancer is related to exposure to herbicides in Vietnam. As a result of the establishment of this presumption, it is anticipated that many Vietnam veterans are going to seek advice about screening for prostate cancer. In fact, if a veteran who was on the ground between 1969 and 1971 gets prostate cancer, as I did, he is automatically qualified for 100% medical disability. It takes a few months to get the benefits to start coming in and they might only last until the cancer is deemed to be in remission. Still, this information is not widely known, even among the medical community. I guess it is up to us to spread the word and look out for our own.
Other medical conditions besides prostate cancer are covered too. The most concise information is provided in this PDF file: Agent Orange: Diseases Related to Agent Orange Exposure
For prostrate cancer, see: Agent Orange: Prostate Cancer
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PTSD
PDF: Understanding PTSD - VA
From WDVA site:
What is Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)?
Traumatic events—war, combat, sexual assault, natural disasters and other life-threatening experiences—have always been a part of human experience. The impact of these events on the survivor was not well understood until the past decade.
We now know that traumatic events often change the survivor psychologically, biologically, and socially. Multiple traumatic experiences can complicate recovery, but also seems to increase the reluctance to seek care.
It is now apparent that the culture, the times, the veteran’s homecoming, and the war’s outcome, as well as many other factors influence the way trauma reactions are expressed. Untreated, trauma reactions and PTSD are highly predictive of physical illness, disrupted family life, and reduced academic and career performance.
What are some signs or symptoms of PTSD?
Most people who are exposed to sudden, dangerous or deadly events—or who are psychologically overwhelmed by these experiences—will often experience several of the following:
- Startle reactions to noise or movement Will time heal Initial Trauma and PTSD Reactions?
Experts agree that the mere passage of time will not relieve PTSD. The longer one waits, the more difficult management may become. On the other hand, it is never too late to start counseling. The use of alcohol, a workaholic life style, or avoidance, may increase the intensity of the symptoms, or delay resolution. Often, the veteran with PTSD will risk everything before seeking help.
Source: Dept of Veterans Affairs More on PTSD:
Soldier On; The Fight Doesn't End When They Get Home
PTSD article by Point Man International Ministries
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder Silver Spur Pages Introduction -- President's Corner -- © Northwest Veterans Newsletter - All rights reserved
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Bear served with the Spur Scout Platoon from Dec '69 - Nov '70.
Pam served with CINCPAC Joint Command from '70 - '74
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a helmet with dark visor in his hand,
stepping from the skid into the cockpit,
the switches and dials at his command.
He may be tired from many runs,
it seems he lives under this plexidome,
but with the stick between his legs
and the pedals at his feet, he feels once again at home.
He fires up that turbine as the pre-flight is performed,
the Jesus nut begins to turn,
that machine begins to rock
and now starts that steady "Whop,"
and air begins to churn.
As those massive blades begin to claw the air he
skillfully lifts his baby off the ground,
the tail begins to rise and the front seems to follow
but no better pilot will be found.
I never saw his face,
I never knew his name,
but I'll never forget the day the Huey Pilot came.
With surgical precision he causes that Huey to hover,
dip and dance behind a hill, then he routinely skims the
tops of trees, rising only to have his Door Gunner make
another kill.
He listens to the Peter Pilot and Crew Chief as well
as he watches for popped smoke,
glancing down he sees looks of relief on haggard
faces, they know he will not choke.
With bullets pinging on the thin metal and stars
appearing on the windshield he holds steady to the stick,
people are screaming to his rear, mortars dropping
dangerously near,
but he maintains a firm control of his slick.
He saves a dozen lives and takes supplies where no one
else wishes to go; for him it is just anouther day;
at base camp he helps wash blood from the rear cabin
and after he fingers new bullet holes he casually walks away.
I never saw his face, I never knew his name,
but I'll never forget the day the Huey Pilot came.
Copyright 2007 by Spur 19, Larry Sherrer
Copyright 2004 by Spur 3, Charles E. Oualline
in Chuck's own words
by Kenneth D. Williams
D 3/17th Air Cav
1-4033-9192-0
(Softcover)
[Not by the 3/17th]
by Lt. Gen Hal Moore (USA Ret.) & Joe Galloway
"In November 1965, 450 U.S. soldiers were dropped into a small clearing in the Ia Drang Valley. They were surrounded by 2,000 North Vietnamese soldiers..."
by Lt. Gen Hal Moore (USA Ret.) & Joe Galloway
"...After a trip in a Russian-made helicopter to the Ia Drang Valley in the Central Highlands, with the Vietnamese pilots using Moore's vintage U.S. Army maps and Galloway's Boy Scout compass to guide them, they reach the hallowed ground where so many died..."
By Lt. General Hal Moore (USA Ret.) with Toby Warren
Spurs Gregory Antunano & Randall Dalton!
Read JTF-FA report dtd 14 Apr 03 provided by Gary Antunano:
Antunano/Dalton PDF File
[Posted 16 Dec 03]
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A Troop, 3/17th Air Cav KIA-BNR Biographies
GOOD NEWS TO REPORT!
Special Assistant to the Commanding General
Joint POW/MIA Accounting Command (JPAC)
JPAC Command Staff
by Ian Thompson
Daily Republic
& Sgt. Philip C. Taylor
Courtesy of the Taylor family - Synopsis of JTF-FA search and recovery of our
fellow troopers in 1993 who perished inside Cambodia on 27 May 1971
Courtesy of the Spurs & Sunrise Helicopters, Inc.
Updated: 5 Oct 08
Courtesy of the Silver Spurs
Provided by the Bluetigers!
Arthur C Bonevich
Posted 4 Aug 10 - Submitted by Spur 15, Bob Scurzi
12 Sep 09
Article submitted by fellow Spur, Glynn Decoteau
Cartoon courtesy of The Army Times posted by Roger Young - Spur & Webmaster
submitted by Dennis Leffingwell
Were the horizontal stabilizers painted any color besides OD?
Are white visibility bands on the rotor blades?
Any idea approximately what tail numbers of Cobras assigned to 3/17?
Courtesy of Joe Whinnery
Courtesy of Joe Whinnery
Courtesy of Joe Whinnery
Submitted by Spur 12, Dan Murphy - Author unknown
by Richard Ben Cramer
War Dogs Remembered at the Wall
Veterans Day 2000 by Vietnam Dog Handlers Assoc.
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by Redcatcher Bob Himrod
Blueghost 10, Home at Last...
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by Silver Spur Terry Shulze
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ULTIMATE PRICE FOR FREEDOM IN SERVICE TO THEIR COUNTRY
THEY CHOSE TO OBEY, NOT DEFY
THESE QUALITIES REPRESENT AMERICA'S BEST
VETERANS DAY 2000
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And all Silver Spurs
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President Chapter 756
Background on 66-15028 by Chuck Oualline
© 2004
Robert McNamara, who served as defense secretary under Presidents Kennedy and Johnson from 1961 to 1968, admitted in his newly published memoirs that the Vietnam War, which he once supported despite its unpopularity, had been a mistake. McNamara wrote that his efforts to step up American involvement in the war, especially during 1964-65, had been "wrong, terribly wrong." He eventually counseled President Lyndon Johnson to end the conflict through diplomacy, but his efforts were unsuccessful and he left the Department of Defense in 1968 to take over the presidency of the World Bank.
According to McNamara, he and other U.S. officials failed to appreciate the ability of North Vietnam to wage war, underestimated the power of nationalism, placed too much confidence in America's high-technology weaponry, and organized the war poorly. The war was unwinnable, McNamara said, because the South Vietnamese, whom the U.S. was supporting, were "incapable of defending themselves."
McNamara's comments sparked a flurry of criticism from politicians, commentators, and war veterans. Many criticized him for waiting more than 30 years to make his feelings on the war public, instead of using his high-ranking position to end the conflict. More than 58,000 Americans died in the Vietnam War by the time of its conclusion in 1975.
Above articles excerpted from Compton's Interactive Encyclopedia
Copyright © 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 The Learning Company, Inc.
All Rights Reserved.The following is from the book, "Dereliction of Duty" by H.R. McMaster. (HarperCollins Publisher, copyright 1997, ISBN 0-06-092908-1) The chapter entitled "Planning for Failure." This was just prior to the then upcoming Presidential Election.
The following is from the book, "Dereliction of Duty" by H.R. McMaster. (HarperCollins Publisher, copyright 1997, ISBN 0-06-092908-1) The chapter entitled "A Quicksand of Lies"
Ft. Rucker, Army Aviation Crest
Courtesy of Roger Young
U.S. Army Museum - Ft. Rucker, Alabama
For many of us that were in Army Aviation, we had training at Ft. Rucker, Alabama. Ft. Rucker is also the home of the Army Aviation Museum.
In the museum's holdings is OH-6A #65-12962 which served with the Spurs! In 1970 it was crewed by C.E. Gary Swartz and had over 2,000 hours logged when it departed A-Troop, 3/17 Air Cav in 1970. Perhaps I'll get the chance someday to see Swartz's ol' warhorse from the Silver Spurs! Talk about memories! [Mission accomplished at the 2006 Silver Spur Reunion!]
Young photo
Gary Swartz with 962 in Vietnam - Swartz photo
962 at Ft. Rucker
Photo courtesy of Ft. Rucker
Bob Scurzi, Silver Spur 15, at Ft. Rucker with 962
Nov 2004 - Scurzi photo
"Luckey Lady" still flying
[Updated: 1 Apr 09]
Photo Courtesy of John Rouse - Gainesville Police Department - 1998
Updated: 20 May 14
Courtesy of Sunrise Helicopters, Inc. - 2003Cav Stetsons & Braiding
Courtesy of the 1/17th WebsiteBraid colors: (provided by John Connor)
General Officers -- all gold
Officers - gold & black intertwined
Warrant Officers -- silver & black intertwined
NCO's & Enlisted -- yellow wool or nylon
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Silver Spur "Man in the doorway" - Larry Smith photo
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March/April 2009 - Posted 6 Apr 09
- Reliving of traumatic memories
- Hostile or suicidal feelings and impulses
- Profound grief reactions
- Lack of emotional reactivity – feeling numb
- Problems with intimacy and/or interpersonal relationships
- Avoidance of people, movies or topics related to trauma experiences
- Being hyperalert to threats to self or loved ones
- Sleep problems, dreams and nightmares
- Excessive need to control outcomes
- Guilt or depression
- Concentration and memory problems
- Anniversary reactions to the trauma
- Alcohol and/or other substance abuse
- Anxiety and hyperarousal
- Thrill seeking and risk taking behavior
- Employment difficulties
- Authority problems
by Silver Spur David "Benny" Bonello
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